Traffic Committee Summary

Held at 6:00 p.m. Tuesday, April 29, 2003 in the

PW/CD Conference Room

300 N New Ballas Road

Creve Coeur, MO 63141

DRAFT

 

MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE

 


SCOTT SAUNDERS, CHAIRMAN

JOHN SURGANT, MEMBER

LOREN LOHMANN, MEMBER

JOHN GREIDER, MEMBER

BILL SCHWER, ASST. CITY ENGINEER

CONNIE PARISH, OFFICE ASSOCIATE

GLENNON EIDMAN, LIEUTENANT


FRED LOHMANNN, MEMBER

 

MEMBERS ABSENT:

                                TIM MADDEN, MEMBER

 

GUESTS ATTENDING:

 

MATTHEW BRANDMEYER, CITY PLANNER

FRED LAGOS, RESIDENT

 

I.                   CALL MEETING TO ORDER:  Mr. Saunders called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.

 

II.                DISCUSS NEW BUSINESS:

A. Discuss Traffic Calming Requests

Lt. Eidman stated there were no new requests to discuss.

 

Lt. Eidman gave a brief update on Chasselle Lane and Clion after traffic counts were conducted again.  He stated that overall the counts show that cut-throughs have not been significantly reduced, but speeding has reduced. The traffic counts are as follows:

02/13/03      Chasselle                                     02/11/03           Clion

1108 total vehicles through subdivision          136 total vehicles through the subdivison

85% = 29.0                                                       85% = 30.1

04/17/03      Chasselle                                      04/25/03          Clion

724 total vehicles through the subdivision       487 total vehicles through the subdivision

85% = 26.3                                                        85% = 29.5

Overall the one way restriction is working, and is helping to reduce speeding in the subdivision.

He added that the construction at Mason/Ladue might be affecting the counts but there is no way to determine how much.  The only change to the area that he suggested is to add a regular one-way arrow.

He explained to the committee that there is a grant called STEP Grant (State Traffic Enforcement Program) that contributes funding for officers to work May 19 through June 1 to increase seat belt usage.   This will be used to help fund the placement of patrol officers in the Bell Coeur area for two weeks.

 

Lt. Eidman also attended the Belle Coeur subdivision meeting and the residents feel the traffic has reduced considerably.

 

Mr. Saunders asked Mr. Schwer when the Mason/Ladue intersection will be completely finished and that St. Louis County had handled the traffic situation very well.  Mr. Schwer stated he will check and get back with him.

 

Mr. Schwer told the committee that the Spoede/Ladue project is completed except for some restoration issues.

 

APPROVAL OF MINUTES

From the March 25, 2003 meeting was approved with minor changes.

 

 

B. Discuss possible locations/areas/intersections to apply Traffic Generation Assessments (TGA’s)

           

Mr. Brandmeyer explained to the committee again that the P&Z commission needs the Traffic committee to recommend potential TGA districts and the related traffic problems associated with new development.  He stated that he understands there are some reservations about this program but that it will proceed.

 

Mr. Brandmeyer explained that St. Louis County Traffic Assessment’s are charged to new developments by parking space or by square footage, placed in a trust fund and used at a later date for improvements.  These improvements can be combined with state and federal projects and shows just how committed the municipality is at addressing traffic problems.  St. Louis County charges approximately $2000 per parking space.  He also stated that the builder can request relief from this assessment.

 

Mr. Saunders asked about the parameters and Mr. Brandmeyer stated there is no set standard as of yet.  He suggested to the committee that most of the problem areas would be along the Olive business corridor and that they may want to start there with the district determination.

 

Mr. Saunders asked Mr. Brandmeyer about other areas that need to be considered such as Lindbergh.  Mr. Brandmeyer reviewed with the committee a few areas he felt should be considered.  Discussion followed regarding residential developments and Mr. Brandmeyer told the committee we have only three significant residential areas but they are not large enough to consider for TGA.  He asked the committee to focus on commercial developments.

           

The committee asked about properties that are rezoned later that could then fall under this program.  Mr. Saunders asked whether the easements or other concessions allowed the city were favorable for a particular development if the fees could be returned or negotiated lower.  He was informed by Mr. Brandmeyer that they could be.

 

Mr. Greider suggested P&Z to impose a general assessment rather than setting districts so as not to scare developers into going somewhere else to build.

 

Mr. Fred Lohmann asked if St. Louis County can come in and set a district within our city limits and Mr. Brandmeyer answered, yes.  They create models for theoretical expectations.

 

Mr. Saunders asked what the procedure would be for a development on Olive.  Would we charge the developer for what is a state project?  Mr. Brandmeyer answered, yes.  If the city is prepared with funding and solicits the state for help, it speeds up the process.  The state sees that the city can afford to and is committed to addressing these traffic issues.

 

Mr. Fred Lohmann asked about dealing with contiguous communities that have development close to us.  Mr. Brandmeyer stated that Chesterfield is looking into this issue.  They may join with other cities but, nothing has been defined as of yet.  Of course they would be more comfortable if they knew we have a plan in affect.  The cities of Maryland Heights, Ladue and Frontenac are not as large as ours and probably would not participate.

 

Mr. Saunders asked Mr. Schwer and Mr. Brandmeyer what is the best way to start.  Mr. Schwer suggested staff creating a map with proposed TGA districts for discussion at the next meeting.  The map could include zoning information, traffic data and property information.

 

Mr. Fred Lohmann asked about a project like the new Walgreen’s.  Mr. Brandmeyer stated this plan has already been applied by P&Z as these projects come up.

Lt. Eidman explained that the developer will put in a new street entrance and a new light but,   in a few years from now the traffic may increase more improvements may be necessary.

 

Mr. Saunders requested the committee to accept P&Z’s request to create traffic districts.  The committee agreed unanimously.

Mr. Fred Lohmann motioned for staff to create an overlay on the map with proposed TGA districts and zoning information, to be presented at the next traffic meeting for development.  Mr. Greider seconded the motion and it passed unanimously.

 

Mr. Brandmeyer and Mr. Schwer will prepare the map for the next meeting.

 

III.             SCHEDULE NEXT REGULAR MEETING

The regular meeting scheduled for May 27, is canceled due to the council meeting held that night.  It is rescheduled for Tuesday, June 3, 2003.         

 

IV.              ADJOURNMENTS

Mr. Saunders adjourned the meeting at 7:30 p.m.

 

Minutes taken by Connie J. Parish.